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Timothy B. Lee's avatar

Will I love you but you're being ridiculous.

Imagine that a prominent conservative pundit tweeted "police misconduct lol." Then a few months later, he's attending a peaceful protest and fails to obey a police officer quickly enough and the cop beats the shit out of him. People say "what do you think about police misconduct now buddy?"

The pundit then writes a long piece explaining that there's no consensus about what counts as police misconduct—sometimes officers have legitimate fear for their life after all—and hence he still doesn't find the term "police misconduct" to be meaningful. Sure, *his* beating was unjustified police use of force. But in his view it's tendentious question-begging to condemn police misconduct in general, since the whole topic under debate is which use of force is unjustified.

Pejorative terms for human misbehavior—accounting fraud, police misconduct, cancel culture—always have this character. People disagree about the merits of individual actions and hence about which actions merit the application of a disapproving label.

This does not mean we should eradicate such morally loaded language from our vocabulary.

Police misconduct and accounting fraud are real problems! Having a label for them helps build a social consensus that they represent a problem and that people might want to work together to try to discourage recurrence of the problematic behavior.

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Adam Gurri's avatar

I'm pretty sympathetic to your argument, so let me try and challenge us both a bit. Put "cancel culture" or "call out culture" to the side for a sec, semantically. Let's see if we can identify some novel phenomena that's at least part of what people are getting at with those terms.

The bottom line is that the Internet overall, mass adoption of Internet connected devices, and social media, are all novel things, so pretty much anything that happens there is "novel" in some mundane sense. But I do think there's a way these things add up such that "more is different."

One tried and true method for getting attention is to denounce someone else. Ideally, this is someone who already has an audience of fans and haters, so you can pander to the latter and drum up hate-attention from the former. There are people who dig through social media post backlogs to try and find something they can use to this effect.

One silly recent example was the bean can dad guy. He had some posts for like 7-10 years ago where he was, as far as I can tell from the context, doing a bit where he was mocking conspiracy theorists, but doing the bit involved tweets in that thread where he was saying what they'd say. Put aside whether or not this is a correct reading of those specific tweets/that specific guy, point is, if that *is* the correct interpretation, what ended up happening was people saw that a guy's thread went viral, and went looking for a way to torch him in order to get attention for themselves, and succeeded by taking a tweet that looks pretty damn bad by itself and saying it was what the guy believed.

It's always been true that fame makes you a target, even fifteen minutes of fame. It's always been true that successfully torching someone famous can get you attention and potentially make you famous yourself. It's also long been true that the communication technology exists to, if you wanted to badly enough, contact someone's employer in order to try and get them fired. But if the barrier to entry for these activities falls low enough, if the marginal effort required to find past statements and share them, or find someone's employer and contact them, falls low enough, then I think you get into some cycles that are pretty toxic.

But I don't really see this as a *cultural* problem. It strikes me as more *structural*, stemming from our technological situation. You can probably reduce or increase this behavior on the margins via culture, but one thing I'd really like the "cancel culture" people to attempt more seriously is to look into how much of this is a cross-cultural phenomenon, not just across parties or regions of the US but like, around the world, for people who've adopted these technologies.

And ultimately, as you say, it does come down to whether or not you think the particular case is merited. Someone here also mentioned at-will employment, I think that having for-cause standards becomes much more attractive under the current scenario, but you know, it also seems like the fraction of people this impacts, even the absolute number, might be so small that even that needle needn't be moved much (and other considerations/justifications for for-cause vs at-will ought to be the main arguments on its behalf, if you're for it).

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